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Second home owners..

Post by The Grocer » Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:18 am

An article I thought of interest to second home owners from UK. Although the original article was French based it will of course apply to people from UK who have second homes in any EU state.


As far as second home owners go we can look ahead to some ways in which they may be affected as ‘third country’ (non-EU) citizens, however the precise details of this will depend on further negotiations during a Brexit transition period before the end of 2020 and whatever is agreed for the future UK/EU relationship. In the event of ‘no deal’, it would depend on whether there are any bilateral agreements made in the future between the UK and Greece.
If the UK leaves the EU on March 29, 2019 with a deal then it is expected that nothing should change for people visiting their second homes before the end of 2020 (the point of a ‘transition’ is to keep the status quo in terms of rights and obligations, giving more time to prepare). After that the UK will be a ‘third country’ but it might benefit from more favourable conditions than some other non-EU countries if so agreed before then (in which case the UK would also have to offer good conditions to EU citizens visiting the UK).
However, if the UK leaves with no deal, then the full impact of being a ‘third country’ would probably apply immediately, with no moderating factors, at least until such a time as any bilateral agreements could be signed. This is because a ‘transition period’ would only apply as part of a deal.
• People wanting to visit Greece from the UK after a ‘no deal’ Brexit would probably have to apply for visas from theGreek consular service, at a cost of €60. (The EU recently stated that whether or not Britons in future would have to have short-term travel visas would depend on how well the negotiations go). Second home owners do not have any special status compared to other visitors (staying in hotels etc).
These short-term Schengen visas for third country citizens allow a visit or visits of no more than 90 days (three months) in total in any 180-day period. After this visitors cannot come back to France (or other Schengen Zone countries like Italy or Spain) until 180 days after the first day of the previous visit/s. For example if you spend March, April and May in Greece, you cannot come back before September. Such visas may be of two kinds: for a one-off visit or for as many visits as you wish and they may be issued with validity periods of six months to five years.
Another kind of visa, costing €250, is available to non-EU citizens for stays between four months and a year, on conditions including proving you have enough resources and medical insurance to be self-sufficient and a commitment to not working in Greece.

• After 2020 (if there is a deal) or after Brexit (if there is no deal) then Britons entering Greece will face stricter checks at the border and will go through ‘non-EU’ lanes. Non-EU citizens coming into Greece will probably need to show they have medical insurance and evidence of having funds to cover their trip, a return ticket and documents clarifying the nature of their stay and where they are staying. Private travel medical insurance would be needed after a ‘no deal’ Brexit and probably also after a Brexit transition period unless the UK and EU agree a continuation of the European ‘EHIC/CEAM’ scheme between the UK and EU (this does not exist for other non-EU countries).

• Non-EU driving licences cannot be used in Greece unless accompanied by an international driving licence, which you can apply for from British post offices (again, a transition period would probably postpone this requirement).

• 'Roaming' costs for using a British mobile phone in Greece could rise unless companies decide to maintain the current exemption from roaming charges that is enforced by the EU. Out of phone companies in the UK, Three has committed on its own behalf to maintaining the availability of roaming in the EU at no additional costs, while EE, O2 and Vodaphone have stated they have no ‘current plans’ to change the way they charge.

• Second home owners would also be affected if there are disruptions to flights after Brexit (especially in the case of 'no deal', as nothing has yet been agreed regarding replacing the UK's participation in EU 'Open Skies' arrangements). Ryanair, notably, has flagged this up Second home owners would also be affected if reduced travel to and from the UK led to some airports ending services to British cities or closing down. In future EU guarantees on compensation for late or delayed flights would also not apply on flights to Greece with a British-owned company.

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Re: Second home owners..

Post by bsamways » Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:37 pm

Lets hope the EU "lightens" up a little then, if they continue to be dogmatic in trying to destroy Britain, post Brexit, then they will have the side affect of sending Brits to non-EU countries for their holiday and second homes.
Shame that the people this will affect are not the apparatchik's in Brussels.
At the moment Greece (and Spain for that matter) is not significantly cheaper that Florida, and one hell of a lot more expensive than Turkey and Egypt, how much will it take to stop/ divert British tourists? I've heard that some Greeks think that Russian and Eastern Europeans may take up the "slack", they may fill the studios, but they certainly don't fill the tavernas.

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Re: Second home owners..

Post by IcyT » Sun Aug 19, 2018 11:10 am

Oo-er! :(

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Re: Second home owners..

Post by lauraanne » Sun Aug 19, 2018 4:36 pm

So what do we think could happen if you only owned one house and it was in Greece,but you are a Greek resident not a Greek citizens with a British passport.?.

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Re: Second home owners..

Post by The Grocer » Mon Aug 20, 2018 4:42 pm

If you pay taxes to Greece and have a residency certificate then I believe you will be fine....
The issue may come when travelling to other EU member states with a British passport.

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Re: Second home owners..

Post by Magpie » Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:57 pm

None of us know what the final outcome of Brexit will be - so let's just wait and see! in the immortal words of Corporal Jones 'Don't panic Captain Mainwaring'.
Let's just enjoy the way of life here, the weather, food and cost of living.
Que Sera Sera.

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